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Téma: Gibson-kryt snímače vosk
[Jacobyen]
Gibson-kryt snímače vosk -
Nástroje > Kytary > Snímače
Ahoj, prohlídnul jsem příspěvky, ale mnohé tam není. Sundal jsem kryt ze snímače a teď ho chci dát zpátky, ale samozřejmě je poškozená vrstva vosku v plechovém krytu. Snímač s krytem nechci voskovt, chci navoskovat pouze kryt a pak až ho namontovat. Nerad bych však přišel o zlaté provedení krytu, tedy jak to mám udělat. V příspěvkách jsem se dočetl o parafínu s vodou, ale není tam napsáno v jakém poměru, ještě jedna věc, kde se dá koupit parafín. Pokud by však hrozilo, že ta teplá voda s voskem poruší povrchovou úpravu, nebo při následném čištění vrchní strany krytu, jak to mám udělat? Předem díky za vyčerpávající odpovědi a návody.
Gibson-kryt snímače vosk -
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Ahoj, prohlídnul jsem příspěvky, ale mnohé tam není. Sundal jsem kryt ze snímače a teď ho chci dát zpátky, ale samozřejmě je poškozená vrstva vosku v plechovém krytu. Snímač s krytem nechci voskovt, chci navoskovat pouze kryt a pak až ho namontovat. Nerad bych však přišel o zlaté provedení krytu, tedy jak to mám udělat. V příspěvkách jsem se dočetl o parafínu s vodou, ale není tam napsáno v jakém poměru, ještě jedna věc, kde se dá koupit parafín. Pokud by však hrozilo, že ta teplá voda s voskem poruší povrchovou úpravu, nebo při následném čištění vrchní strany krytu, jak to mám udělat? Předem díky za vyčerpávající odpovědi a návody.
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[makman]
Re: Potting the pickup
How do I know if my pickups need potting? Pickups will squeal and make a loud whistling noise similar to a microphone when it feeds back. Some pickups are so bad that if you touch them you hear a loud noise through the amplifier. If you have a metal cover on the pickup, it could make a loud "clank" or start humming loudly when you touch it.
This is not to be confused with the musical feedback that you get when you crank your amp up and your notes sustain indefinitely – that is the good kind of feedback and this will not effect that type of feedback. Potting pickups will actually make it more likely that you can safely turn up loud enough to get that type of feedback.
What does potting do to my pickup anyway? The term "potting" refers to the sealing of the coils in a solid material. Potting stabilizes the components of the pickup so that they cannot move relative to each other. This elminates vibration-induced signals that make a pickup microphonic. Potting can also protect the inner coil from corrosion. The technique described here is not just potting, but also "coil immersion." Coil immersion is allowing a solid (wax) to be absorbed into the coil. Wax is used because it works well, is inexpensive, and it makes it possible to work on the pickup later. A correctly potted pickup coil will have the wax absorbed throughout the coil as well as the surrounding parts such as magnets, polepieces, and metal covers. This eliminates movement of parts inside the pickup.
What guitars/pickups are good candidates for this? I have done this on humbuckers and single coils of many types. It works on pickups with or without covers. If your pickup has a metal cover then pot it with the cover in place.
Any guitar with a pickup that is microphonic but otherwise a good sounding pickup is a good candidate for potting. If your pickups aren't microphonic then there is little point to potting them – and they may even have been potted at the factory. Many better-quality pickups are potted at the factory, and some others are so solidly constructed that potting will provide little or no improvement. Often a pickup that has been fine will become microphonic as handling and environment take their toll. Such a pickup then becomes a good candidate for potting. Even a pickup that was potted from the factory might become microphonic after much use. If the pickup was potted with wax it can be repotted. If it was potted with epoxy or plastic fillers it cannot be repotted.
Recent Epiphone humbucker pickups especially seem to benefit greatly from potting. These pickups sound pretty good once microphonic feedback is eliminated. Since many of the Korean imports are actually made by one company, it stands to reason that the other Korean models likely have similar noise problems. I have done this on many American, Japanese, and Korean made guitars over the years.
The bottom line? If a pickup is microphonic it needs to be potted. Of course, we can't recommend potting the pickups on a valuable vintage guitar because doing so will decrease its collector value.
What tools and supplies will I need? To remove and reinstall your pickups you need:
* soldering iron (an inexpensive 30-watt pencil type is fine)
* electronics grade solder (not acid core)
* screwdrivers
To pot the pickups you will need:
* double boiler (see these instructions for making a safe double-boiler)
* safety goggles
* electric cook top -- avoid open flames!
* candy thermometer (optional) [but highly recommended - Ed.]
* pliers or tongs
* wax - I have always used readily available canning wax (parafin) available at grocery stores. Recently, I've heard that some manufacturers add a little beeswax to keep the wax soft and prevent it from becoming brittle and flaking or cracking with age. [Ed. note – John hadn't tried this yet and didn't know what percentage of beeswax manufacturer's use. I'm guessing about 10%-20% beeswax based on other applications I've seen for wax.] [Later Ed. note– that wasn't a bad guess – I recently stumbled across a Fralin article at the StewMac website where he recommends 20% beeswax.] [Still later – I (editor) recently potted some single coil pickups using these instructions. I couldn't find beeswax at WalMart so I bought some Kiwi "Camp Dry Beeswax Water Proofer" intended for sealing boots and such. This stuff contains beeswax and a small amount of lanolin. A seven ounce container was two bucks and worked beautifully with two pounds of parafin.]
* paper towels for cleanup
Wax is highly flammable (wax is why candles burn, remember). Always use a double boiler. Never use open flames (like a gas stove) as a heat source.
Hot wax can cause severe burns. Hot wax splashes easily. Always wear safety goggles. Gloves and an apron are highly recommended.
Are there any potential problems besides the safety warnings above? Yes. There is always a small risk that you could damage a pickup. If you have a particularly collectable instrument or a pickup that is of questionable construction – don't do it. That being said, I have done very many of these over 15 years and have never damaged a single pickup.
What about removing the pickup covers? It is not neccessary to remove the metal pickup cover from a humbucker. It is easy to damage pickups by trying to take them apart – bad idea! Be careful if you choose to remove your covers – remove at your own risk! If you have a metal cover on your pickup - leave it on for the potting. Some pickups (especially older inexpensive models from Japan in the 70s) look like a regular Gibson™ humbucker but unlike the Gibson pickups the covers are not made to be removed. Most full-size humbuckers made in the 90s can have their cover removed.
If the coils are wrapped with tape do not try to remove it. Pot the pickups with the tape in place. Trying to remove it may damage your coils.
If a pickup is already potted in a hard plastic material (some older Ibanez™ models, Bartolini™ stacked humbuckers, and Select™ pickups come to mind) then you are out of luck – do not try to remove a sealed plastic cover. Do not pot Lace sensors.
The plastic covers on Stratocaster™ single-coil pickups should be removed. These just slip off once the pickup is removed from the guitar. Some have tape around the coil, some do not. Leave the tape on if it is there.
Why not replace the pickups with new potted ones? Replacement pickups can cost $200 or more. Enough said! I had a newer model Epiphone™ and potted the pickups and an astonishing thing happened – they actually sounded really good. Potting your existing pickups costs very little and can save you a lot of money if you like their sound. Many people are happy with the tone of one or more of their stock pickups and may not want to replace them. If you later sell the guitar, many potential buyers would rather have the "correct" pickups.
Instructions for potting a pickup
* Make a sketch of your wiring before you remove your pickups so that you can use it as a guideline to put your pickups back in later.
* Remove your pickup(s) from the guitar.
* Mark the pickups with a piece of tape on the wire if you cannot easily tell what position in the guitar each was removed from. (Remember that markings on the bottom of the pickup may be difficult to see after the pickup has been potted.) Put the tape near the loose end of the wire, not near the pickup where it will become encased in wax when you dunk the pickup.
* Use a double boiler to melt the wax. I heat until it is only just hot enough that it completely melts (you can use a candy thermometer to determine the minimum temp, but I wing it). You will need to have enough wax melted to more than completely submerge the pickup. If you heat it without checking the temp, you run the risk of warping or melting your pickup. [Ed. The Fralin article at the StewMac website recommends 150 degrees F. I highly recommend a candy thermometer as the wax goes over 200 degrees suprisingly easily (though when it did it didn't damage some plastic-bobbin Tex Mex pickups I was potting). A candy thermometer will set you back a whole four bucks and is available at most grocery stores.]
* With a pair of pliers or tongs lower one pickup into the melted wax. Do not actually touch the coil windings with the pliers or tongs as doing so will almost certainly destroy your pickup. Grab the pickup by the tab used to mount it. [Ed. note. – instead of tongs you could use pieces of stout string or picture hanging wire tied through each mounting hole. This ensures that you won't drop the pickup, splattering hot wax, or accidentally grab the coil windings with tongs or pliers. Tie something to the loose end of each string so it will hang outside the pot and not end up in the wax.]
* Leave the pickup submerged and jiggle it gently until no more air bubbles seem to be coming out of it. This takes a while (up to fifteen or twenty minutes) because the pickup has to heat up to the temperature of the wax around it before wax will adequately penetrate the coils. Move the pickup every few minutes to different angles to get the bubbles out. Try to avoid letting the pickup stick to the side of the double boiler.
* Remove the pickup and allow to dry and cool on a paper towel. Remember it is hot coming out of there! Let it cool naturally in room-temperature air – don't try to speed up the cooling process. You may want to wipe the face off a little while the pickup is still warm because it is easier to clean. Getting wax off after it has fully cooled is a pain. Wipe off only the outside of a metal humbucking cover or the top of the coil bobbins (where the pole pieces are) and not around the bottom or sides of the coil.
* Repeat the previous three steps for any remaining pickups. Work on one pickup at a time. Don't try to clean one pickup while soaking another. Pickups are expensive and each deserves your full attention throughout this process.
* After the pickups have cooled clean any excess wax out of the mounting holes and reinstall them in your guitar using the wiring diagram you made earlier.
You have now potted your pickups. Enjoy the benefits of less feedback and noise — John Thornburg
Update: Here's a quick photo of the process. Last spring I potted some pickups and took a quick photo of my setup. The inner pot of the double boiler is a camp pot with a cover. When I'm done I just put the cover on and let it cool and it's sealed up until the next time I need to use it. I used two pounds of canning wax. I couldn't find any beeswax at WalMart so I went to the shoe department and got a 7 ounce jar of Kiwi "Camp Dry Beeswax Water Proofer." This is beeswax with a bit of lanolin mixed in and is about the consistency of a soft, moist paste. It mixed readily with the canning wax (parafin). This mixture seemed to work just about perfectly. You can see the nice golden hue in the photo and it even leaves your pickups smelling nice!
Note that the inner pot is suspended by loops of picture-hanging wire. This isn't as stable as it could be so you have to watch that the inner pot doesn't tilt to the side and spill melted wax into the water in the outer pot. Using an outer pot that is not too much larger than the inner pot helps in this respect – this setup wouldn't work well if the outer pot was much wider.
I also used picture-hanging wire tied through one mounting hole on the pickup to handle the pickup without risking damaging the coils by grabbing them with tongs or pliers. I was able to shake the air out of the pickups just by gently jerking on the picture-hanging wire. I missed getting a picture of the free end of the picture-hanging wire. The free end was tied around the handle of a screwdriver so that it wouldn't spring back against the heating coil of the stove and get hot.
The candy thermometer near the top of the picture is highly recommended and costs about four bucks.
Finally, notice the small air bubble that has just reached the surface. I potted a total of five pickups in two sessions a couple of weeks apart and never saw what you would call a rush of bubbles. Instead, bubbles would kind of percolate to the surface one or two at a time for several minutes.
Re: Potting the pickup
How do I know if my pickups need potting? Pickups will squeal and make a loud whistling noise similar to a microphone when it feeds back. Some pickups are so bad that if you touch them you hear a loud noise through the amplifier. If you have a metal cover on the pickup, it could make a loud "clank" or start humming loudly when you touch it.
This is not to be confused with the musical feedback that you get when you crank your amp up and your notes sustain indefinitely – that is the good kind of feedback and this will not effect that type of feedback. Potting pickups will actually make it more likely that you can safely turn up loud enough to get that type of feedback.
What does potting do to my pickup anyway? The term "potting" refers to the sealing of the coils in a solid material. Potting stabilizes the components of the pickup so that they cannot move relative to each other. This elminates vibration-induced signals that make a pickup microphonic. Potting can also protect the inner coil from corrosion. The technique described here is not just potting, but also "coil immersion." Coil immersion is allowing a solid (wax) to be absorbed into the coil. Wax is used because it works well, is inexpensive, and it makes it possible to work on the pickup later. A correctly potted pickup coil will have the wax absorbed throughout the coil as well as the surrounding parts such as magnets, polepieces, and metal covers. This eliminates movement of parts inside the pickup.
What guitars/pickups are good candidates for this? I have done this on humbuckers and single coils of many types. It works on pickups with or without covers. If your pickup has a metal cover then pot it with the cover in place.
Any guitar with a pickup that is microphonic but otherwise a good sounding pickup is a good candidate for potting. If your pickups aren't microphonic then there is little point to potting them – and they may even have been potted at the factory. Many better-quality pickups are potted at the factory, and some others are so solidly constructed that potting will provide little or no improvement. Often a pickup that has been fine will become microphonic as handling and environment take their toll. Such a pickup then becomes a good candidate for potting. Even a pickup that was potted from the factory might become microphonic after much use. If the pickup was potted with wax it can be repotted. If it was potted with epoxy or plastic fillers it cannot be repotted.
Recent Epiphone humbucker pickups especially seem to benefit greatly from potting. These pickups sound pretty good once microphonic feedback is eliminated. Since many of the Korean imports are actually made by one company, it stands to reason that the other Korean models likely have similar noise problems. I have done this on many American, Japanese, and Korean made guitars over the years.
The bottom line? If a pickup is microphonic it needs to be potted. Of course, we can't recommend potting the pickups on a valuable vintage guitar because doing so will decrease its collector value.
What tools and supplies will I need? To remove and reinstall your pickups you need:
* soldering iron (an inexpensive 30-watt pencil type is fine)
* electronics grade solder (not acid core)
* screwdrivers
To pot the pickups you will need:
* double boiler (see these instructions for making a safe double-boiler)
* safety goggles
* electric cook top -- avoid open flames!
* candy thermometer (optional) [but highly recommended - Ed.]
* pliers or tongs
* wax - I have always used readily available canning wax (parafin) available at grocery stores. Recently, I've heard that some manufacturers add a little beeswax to keep the wax soft and prevent it from becoming brittle and flaking or cracking with age. [Ed. note – John hadn't tried this yet and didn't know what percentage of beeswax manufacturer's use. I'm guessing about 10%-20% beeswax based on other applications I've seen for wax.] [Later Ed. note– that wasn't a bad guess – I recently stumbled across a Fralin article at the StewMac website where he recommends 20% beeswax.] [Still later – I (editor) recently potted some single coil pickups using these instructions. I couldn't find beeswax at WalMart so I bought some Kiwi "Camp Dry Beeswax Water Proofer" intended for sealing boots and such. This stuff contains beeswax and a small amount of lanolin. A seven ounce container was two bucks and worked beautifully with two pounds of parafin.]
* paper towels for cleanup
Wax is highly flammable (wax is why candles burn, remember). Always use a double boiler. Never use open flames (like a gas stove) as a heat source.
Hot wax can cause severe burns. Hot wax splashes easily. Always wear safety goggles. Gloves and an apron are highly recommended.
Are there any potential problems besides the safety warnings above? Yes. There is always a small risk that you could damage a pickup. If you have a particularly collectable instrument or a pickup that is of questionable construction – don't do it. That being said, I have done very many of these over 15 years and have never damaged a single pickup.
What about removing the pickup covers? It is not neccessary to remove the metal pickup cover from a humbucker. It is easy to damage pickups by trying to take them apart – bad idea! Be careful if you choose to remove your covers – remove at your own risk! If you have a metal cover on your pickup - leave it on for the potting. Some pickups (especially older inexpensive models from Japan in the 70s) look like a regular Gibson™ humbucker but unlike the Gibson pickups the covers are not made to be removed. Most full-size humbuckers made in the 90s can have their cover removed.
If the coils are wrapped with tape do not try to remove it. Pot the pickups with the tape in place. Trying to remove it may damage your coils.
If a pickup is already potted in a hard plastic material (some older Ibanez™ models, Bartolini™ stacked humbuckers, and Select™ pickups come to mind) then you are out of luck – do not try to remove a sealed plastic cover. Do not pot Lace sensors.
The plastic covers on Stratocaster™ single-coil pickups should be removed. These just slip off once the pickup is removed from the guitar. Some have tape around the coil, some do not. Leave the tape on if it is there.
Why not replace the pickups with new potted ones? Replacement pickups can cost $200 or more. Enough said! I had a newer model Epiphone™ and potted the pickups and an astonishing thing happened – they actually sounded really good. Potting your existing pickups costs very little and can save you a lot of money if you like their sound. Many people are happy with the tone of one or more of their stock pickups and may not want to replace them. If you later sell the guitar, many potential buyers would rather have the "correct" pickups.
Instructions for potting a pickup
* Make a sketch of your wiring before you remove your pickups so that you can use it as a guideline to put your pickups back in later.
* Remove your pickup(s) from the guitar.
* Mark the pickups with a piece of tape on the wire if you cannot easily tell what position in the guitar each was removed from. (Remember that markings on the bottom of the pickup may be difficult to see after the pickup has been potted.) Put the tape near the loose end of the wire, not near the pickup where it will become encased in wax when you dunk the pickup.
* Use a double boiler to melt the wax. I heat until it is only just hot enough that it completely melts (you can use a candy thermometer to determine the minimum temp, but I wing it). You will need to have enough wax melted to more than completely submerge the pickup. If you heat it without checking the temp, you run the risk of warping or melting your pickup. [Ed. The Fralin article at the StewMac website recommends 150 degrees F. I highly recommend a candy thermometer as the wax goes over 200 degrees suprisingly easily (though when it did it didn't damage some plastic-bobbin Tex Mex pickups I was potting). A candy thermometer will set you back a whole four bucks and is available at most grocery stores.]
* With a pair of pliers or tongs lower one pickup into the melted wax. Do not actually touch the coil windings with the pliers or tongs as doing so will almost certainly destroy your pickup. Grab the pickup by the tab used to mount it. [Ed. note. – instead of tongs you could use pieces of stout string or picture hanging wire tied through each mounting hole. This ensures that you won't drop the pickup, splattering hot wax, or accidentally grab the coil windings with tongs or pliers. Tie something to the loose end of each string so it will hang outside the pot and not end up in the wax.]
* Leave the pickup submerged and jiggle it gently until no more air bubbles seem to be coming out of it. This takes a while (up to fifteen or twenty minutes) because the pickup has to heat up to the temperature of the wax around it before wax will adequately penetrate the coils. Move the pickup every few minutes to different angles to get the bubbles out. Try to avoid letting the pickup stick to the side of the double boiler.
* Remove the pickup and allow to dry and cool on a paper towel. Remember it is hot coming out of there! Let it cool naturally in room-temperature air – don't try to speed up the cooling process. You may want to wipe the face off a little while the pickup is still warm because it is easier to clean. Getting wax off after it has fully cooled is a pain. Wipe off only the outside of a metal humbucking cover or the top of the coil bobbins (where the pole pieces are) and not around the bottom or sides of the coil.
* Repeat the previous three steps for any remaining pickups. Work on one pickup at a time. Don't try to clean one pickup while soaking another. Pickups are expensive and each deserves your full attention throughout this process.
* After the pickups have cooled clean any excess wax out of the mounting holes and reinstall them in your guitar using the wiring diagram you made earlier.
You have now potted your pickups. Enjoy the benefits of less feedback and noise — John Thornburg
Update: Here's a quick photo of the process. Last spring I potted some pickups and took a quick photo of my setup. The inner pot of the double boiler is a camp pot with a cover. When I'm done I just put the cover on and let it cool and it's sealed up until the next time I need to use it. I used two pounds of canning wax. I couldn't find any beeswax at WalMart so I went to the shoe department and got a 7 ounce jar of Kiwi "Camp Dry Beeswax Water Proofer." This is beeswax with a bit of lanolin mixed in and is about the consistency of a soft, moist paste. It mixed readily with the canning wax (parafin). This mixture seemed to work just about perfectly. You can see the nice golden hue in the photo and it even leaves your pickups smelling nice!
Note that the inner pot is suspended by loops of picture-hanging wire. This isn't as stable as it could be so you have to watch that the inner pot doesn't tilt to the side and spill melted wax into the water in the outer pot. Using an outer pot that is not too much larger than the inner pot helps in this respect – this setup wouldn't work well if the outer pot was much wider.
I also used picture-hanging wire tied through one mounting hole on the pickup to handle the pickup without risking damaging the coils by grabbing them with tongs or pliers. I was able to shake the air out of the pickups just by gently jerking on the picture-hanging wire. I missed getting a picture of the free end of the picture-hanging wire. The free end was tied around the handle of a screwdriver so that it wouldn't spring back against the heating coil of the stove and get hot.
The candy thermometer near the top of the picture is highly recommended and costs about four bucks.
Finally, notice the small air bubble that has just reached the surface. I potted a total of five pickups in two sessions a couple of weeks apart and never saw what you would call a rush of bubbles. Instead, bubbles would kind of percolate to the surface one or two at a time for several minutes.
[bernie]
Re: Jacobyen
Je to dost vycerpavajuce:))). Makmanovi asi patri prve miesto za najdlhsi prispevok:).
Re: Jacobyen
Je to dost vycerpavajuce:))). Makmanovi asi patri prve miesto za najdlhsi prispevok:).
[Jacobyen]
Re: Makman
Ahoj, teda musím říci, kdyby jsi to ještě přeložil, tak se staneš nepřekonatelným. Však vzhledem ke své momentální schátralosti a angličtině, jenž na tohle je nedostačující, to budu překládat týden. Já ten snímač tam snad radši hodím rovnou, ale teď vážně, neudělal by jsi mi nějakou kratši verzi v češtině, pouze k tomu co potřebuji.Kdyby to šlo tak předem díky moc.
Re: Makman
Ahoj, teda musím říci, kdyby jsi to ještě přeložil, tak se staneš nepřekonatelným. Však vzhledem ke své momentální schátralosti a angličtině, jenž na tohle je nedostačující, to budu překládat týden. Já ten snímač tam snad radši hodím rovnou, ale teď vážně, neudělal by jsi mi nějakou kratši verzi v češtině, pouze k tomu co potřebuji.Kdyby to šlo tak předem díky moc.